..don't fuck or you could end up like this. A millionaire serving tea and crumpets in an evening gown to your illegitimate baby. Seriously, teens, you don't want this. Do you?
Oh yes and dont forget look at teen mom to. You can get plastic surgery, fake hair, nails, fake bake, clothing, cars, cash, jewls, etc.. Everytime I look at the teen moms I'm like WHAT THE F? come on give me a break.
They are making it look so easy and glamorous. How about you get a teen knocked up, make her live on the streets, have her try to find a job support her self the new child, find housing, food and etc. Thats a show I will watch. Not spoiled little brats who complain about there love life, going out, working, shopping, complaining about their baby daddy.
DD I think you have a more compelling interesting story ever than these girls.
Hey DD, to change the subject...are you planning another beautiful garden this year? I look forward to your ideas and pictures, especially your flowers! You just have this natural green thumb.
My experiences with being a teen mom involved living off welfare for 6 months until I couldn't stand the hopelessness and put my baby up for adoption. It involved poverty, degrading myself for welfare, an absentee teen dad, and the prospect of living that way for 18 more years while crying myself to sleep while my friends were out partying. I guess I just needed to spend my food stamp money on tea and crumpets to find happiness? Who knew?
I think perhaps we should have a raising of hands of all the teen moms on this blog that had even one of these advantages? Because I'd really like to know. I was sixteen, standing outside of the hospital with a newborn and nowhere to go, no baby supplies to speak of and a butt that felt like it had hosted a demolition derby. I know that the Teen Mom show is depressing, but the magazines are also showing these girls OUTSIDE the show and teenagers are thinking "Hey, they aren't suffering too bad...why not?" You've got Bristol Palin in a freaking evening gown, serving tea? This is total bullshit. The truth is, no one will be on your doorstep offering you a TV show, trust me on this. You will work like a dog for little or nothing, if you're LUCKY, you might have family to help, but most of us didn't and don't. We're a "disappointment, don't you know?
My 17 year old high school co-op student came into my classroom (toddler child care room) a few weeks ago and told my partner that she was pregnant, and she doesn't know how it happened. hehehe. She is about 3 months along, and keeping it. She is still living with her parents. Her boyfriend is going to get welfare and she is going to ask for more shifts at McDonalds until she graduates in June and then ask for full time til the baby is born.
I must say she has been respectful of my feelings. She knows that my husband and I are going through fertility treatments/talking adoption, so she really doesn't talk about it around me, but I hear things she says to my partner and the college student. It was just difficult to hear her news on the day my period shows up two days late.
Angie, your story made me so sad. I could just picture it. Although, in all honesty, I think that MOST teen moms' reality is closer to ours than Bristol's. I'll never forget my mom telling me that my only options were to stay on welfare for years or to find a man to marry me. It was a hard time and I've never met a teen mom yet who said she was glad she didn't wait.
You know, I feel like I was one of the lucky ones. I was able to somehow squeak it out. My dad came through a few months later and let me move home, but I don't know that he ever fully forgave me for disappointing him and embarrassing the family and he didn't make things easy, that's for sure. I met my husband when my son was 3 yrs old and we married a year later and I feel we've made a pretty good life here.
Most of all, I hated the thought of being a statistic. Do you know how many teen moms I've met that are intelligent, well read people? That, had they the chance, could have gone to college and really excelled in whatever they chose to do? That write so eloquently, it makes a person want to weep for the tragedy of it? Or laugh so hard, they hope they haven't pissed themselves? I guess it's the hand we're dealt and we work with what we have. I'm glad to be net friends with some of these awesome people:)
I'm re-reading this and wondering just where the hell I was going with it all. Bottom line, I don't like the Bristol Palins or the Teem Mom girls representing me.
amazing how the pendulum has swung from pregnant teens hiding from stigma and shame in a catholic convent to being a cool kid with their own tv shows. Something is very wrong. Please tell me I've entered the twilight zone.
Teenagers should not be raising children, period. Either get an abortion or give the kid away. I just have zero tolerance these days for people who insist on creating children they cannot afford finanicially, emotionally, or intellectually. Not only do you create a burden on society by having a kid you can't handle or support, you become one yourself. I for one am sick of paying for it and I'm sure most taxpayers feel the same way.
Sally, I can kind of see where you're going with this but I don't consider any child to be a burden on society. I wish more of my tax dollars were spent on caring for children. At the risk of sounding like a cliche, they really ARE our greatest hope for the future and it's certainly not their fault that they were unplanned. There are much greater wastes of our tax money.
It's not about the children, it's about their irresponsible parents. Teenagers should not be raising children, period. It is a moral issue for me because I believe every kid deserves a chance with mature and prepared and educated parents. A teenager by definition is none of these things.
I have to agree 100% with Sally. It is not the fault of the innocent babies, but they ARE a huge burden on the taxpayers!! It is the fault of the irresponsible teens. You can remain in denial all you want but in case you haven't noticed, our country is going broke and we can no longer afford this.
The country isn't going broke because of teenage mothers. Relax, already. Teenage pregnancy figures are down. They're WAY down from when I was a pregnant teenager; and with the introduction of TANF the amount of people on welfare has declined more than 50%. The U.S. has one of the most restrictive policies regarding social aide than any other industrialized nation and it's just getting stricter. Since the mid-90s welfare reform have you noticed your taxes lessening? No? That's because the bulk of taxes that go toward social program funding (which isn't much) goes toward funding medicare and social security. I don't know why I'm engaging in this argument because I've seen in the past that people who want to believe that there are welfare queens getting rich off the government tit refuse to believe otherwise even when hit in the face with facts.
I was 16 when I had my son and I would challenge anyone to put their kid up against mine to see who raised the better child. I've seen some pretty sketchy parenting coming out of middle age couples, so don't try to lump all teen parents together, Miss Sally.
And the child that I gave up for adoption to my middle class parents wound up going through some horrible shit and is just now getting her life back on track. She tells me all the time how she wishes I'd raised her. Teen moms are not villains. They're not boogeymen to be afraid of. For the most part, they're young girls who didn't think things through (as children are wont to do). Nobody believes that having a baby as a teenager is a good thing. That's one of the reasons I find Bristol and the teen mom crowd so repugnant. If it offends then make sure you don't have any pregnant teens come out of your family and don't give Bristol Palin a pulpit to preach from. But seriously, burdens on society? The biggest financial burdens to our society are the elderly not teenage mothers.
Children need mature and prepared parents. It's all a crap shoot for the most part, but given a choice I certainly wouldn't put my money on a teenager.
On a blog where many former teenage mothers hang out, I cannot for the life of me, figure out why you would continue to be insulting. I will chalk it up to ignorance and move on.
Angie, just because I happen to have a different opinion than yours does not mean I am insulting you or anyone else, and it doesn't make me ignorant, either.
You are welcome to your opinion and in fact, are highly encouraged to have one. What isn't encouraged is the derogatory remarks you make in the company of people that make up this dynamic, with complete disregard for their feelings. And that, my dear, is ignorance.
Sally, You are, indeed, insulting people. To date you have proclaimed:
1. Teenagers should get rid of their kid or have an abortion. 2. That babies of teenagers are a burden to society. 3. That the mothers themselves are burdens to society. 4. That you speak for most of the taxpayers in this country.
I don't believe that Angie is stating that you are ignorant in general. She's questioning why someone would make such inflammatory remarks on a blog where many prior teen mothers associate. Correct me if I'm wrong Angie, but I believe her point is that you're ignorant of that fact as well as the many emotional and socio-economic stresses and conditions that go along with being a teenage mother. The world isn't a black or white issue and as I said before, all you can do is control your own piece of the world. You can like it or not but getting yourself all worked up over an issue you a) can't fix and b) don't want to change your opinion on is pretty much the definition of trolling. You know you're not going to change anyone's mind and you're obviously not here for intellectual discourse. Your only purpose at this point as far as I can see is to get people riled up so you can sit back and suck up the lulz.
I would concede that "ignorant" was not the word I was looking for, although I have to believe there is a fair amount of ignorance present. No, what I probably wanted to say was your gross indifference and disregard for the feelings of others. I like to think of the people on this blog as friends, minus the trolls, of course. I typically don't have friends telling me I'm worthless and a burden to society, so please forgive me if I get a bit feisty about the subject matter.
You cannot begin to know my personal experience with unprepared and immature parents. And if I have a strong opinion on the subject believe me when I say it is NOT because I enjoy riling people up on a blog.
Again, you are welcome to your opinion, we all have things we feel strongly about, things that affect us directly, but seriously, do you think it's necessary to slap us in the face with your personal issues? That would be like going to a AA meeting and announcing over and over how people who can't control their drinking are worthless, stupid and weak. Do you GET what I'm saying?
i don't think sally gets what anyone is saying....she obviously is clueless (or has a clue is purposely being rude and disrespectful) to the many women here---including the blog owner---who were teen moms....
Sally, I agree with you. Some of us had no choices and did our best to raise our children and get off welfare. Teens today have choices and I sure am glad.
Pat, I don't think anyone is saying that teens should have children. But to say that teens should abort or give their children away while calling them a burden is beyond evil. Sally isn't railing against teen mom shows, she's railing against teen moms in general including yourself. Nobody thinks Bristol Palin is a good role model but she shouldn't have to give up her child because she had him too young. Or are teens allowed to keep their babies if they're able to support them by spewing a bunch of right wing propoganda?
..don't fuck or you could end up like this. A millionaire serving tea and crumpets in an evening gown to your illegitimate baby. Seriously, teens, you don't want this. Do you? 
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Oh yes and dont forget look at teen mom to. You can get plastic surgery, fake hair, nails, fake bake, clothing, cars, cash, jewls, etc.. Everytime I look at the teen moms I'm like WHAT THE F? come on give me a break.
They are making it look so easy and glamorous. How about you get a teen knocked up, make her live on the streets, have her try to find a job support her self the new child, find housing, food and etc. Thats a show I will watch. Not spoiled little brats who complain about there love life, going out, working, shopping, complaining about their baby daddy.
DD I think you have a more compelling interesting story ever than these girls.
Teen Mom is the most depressing shit on TV. Been there in real life.
Hey DD, to change the subject...are you planning another beautiful garden this year? I look forward to your ideas and pictures, especially your flowers! You just have this natural green thumb.
Kate
My experiences with being a teen mom involved living off welfare for 6 months until I couldn't stand the hopelessness and put my baby up for adoption. It involved poverty, degrading myself for welfare, an absentee teen dad, and the prospect of living that way for 18 more years while crying myself to sleep while my friends were out partying. I guess I just needed to spend my food stamp money on tea and crumpets to find happiness? Who knew?
I think perhaps we should have a raising of hands of all the teen moms on this blog that had even one of these advantages? Because I'd really like to know. I was sixteen, standing outside of the hospital with a newborn and nowhere to go, no baby supplies to speak of and a butt that felt like it had hosted a demolition derby. I know that the Teen Mom show is depressing, but the magazines are also showing these girls OUTSIDE the show and teenagers are thinking "Hey, they aren't suffering too bad...why not?" You've got Bristol Palin in a freaking evening gown, serving tea? This is total bullshit. The truth is, no one will be on your doorstep offering you a TV show, trust me on this. You will work like a dog for little or nothing, if you're LUCKY, you might have family to help, but most of us didn't and don't. We're a "disappointment, don't you know?
Can you believe she is getting paid six figures for her "speech" services????
can you say "photoshop"
My 17 year old high school co-op student came into my classroom (toddler child care room) a few weeks ago and told my partner that she was pregnant, and she doesn't know how it happened. hehehe. She is about 3 months along, and keeping it. She is still living with her parents. Her boyfriend is going to get welfare and she is going to ask for more shifts at McDonalds until she graduates in June and then ask for full time til the baby is born.
I must say she has been respectful of my feelings. She knows that my husband and I are going through fertility treatments/talking adoption, so she really doesn't talk about it around me, but I hear things she says to my partner and the college student. It was just difficult to hear her news on the day my period shows up two days late.
Angie, your story made me so sad. I could just picture it. Although, in all honesty, I think that MOST teen moms' reality is closer to ours than Bristol's. I'll never forget my mom telling me that my only options were to stay on welfare for years or to find a man to marry me. It was a hard time and I've never met a teen mom yet who said she was glad she didn't wait.
You know, I feel like I was one of the lucky ones. I was able to somehow squeak it out. My dad came through a few months later and let me move home, but I don't know that he ever fully forgave me for disappointing him and embarrassing the family and he didn't make things easy, that's for sure. I met my husband when my son was 3 yrs old and we married a year later and I feel we've made a pretty good life here.
Most of all, I hated the thought of being a statistic. Do you know how many teen moms I've met that are intelligent, well read people? That, had they the chance, could have gone to college and really excelled in whatever they chose to do? That write so eloquently, it makes a person want to weep for the tragedy of it? Or laugh so hard, they hope they haven't pissed themselves? I guess it's the hand we're dealt and we work with what we have. I'm glad to be net friends with some of these awesome people:)
I'm re-reading this and wondering just where the hell I was going with it all. Bottom line, I don't like the Bristol Palins or the Teem Mom girls representing me.
It looks like they put every ridiculous thing they could find in that picture.
amazing how the pendulum has swung from pregnant teens hiding from stigma and shame in a catholic convent to being a cool kid with their own tv shows. Something is very wrong. Please tell me I've entered the twilight zone.
Tacky, tacky, tacky---is all I can say.
Angie, man, can I relate to your story.
Teenagers should not be raising children, period. Either get an abortion or give the kid away. I just have zero tolerance these days for people who insist on creating children they cannot afford finanicially, emotionally, or intellectually. Not only do you create a burden on society by having a kid you can't handle or support, you become one yourself. I for one am sick of paying for it and I'm sure most taxpayers feel the same way.
Sally, I can kind of see where you're going with this but I don't consider any child to be a burden on society. I wish more of my tax dollars were spent on caring for children. At the risk of sounding like a cliche, they really ARE our greatest hope for the future and it's certainly not their fault that they were unplanned. There are much greater wastes of our tax money.
It's not about the children, it's about their irresponsible parents. Teenagers should not be raising children, period. It is a moral issue for me because I believe every kid deserves a chance with mature and prepared and educated parents. A teenager by definition is none of these things.
I have to agree 100% with Sally. It is not the fault of the innocent babies, but they ARE a huge burden on the taxpayers!! It is the fault of the irresponsible teens. You can remain in denial all you want but in case you haven't noticed, our country is going broke and we can no longer afford this.
The country isn't going broke because of teenage mothers. Relax, already. Teenage pregnancy figures are down. They're WAY down from when I was a pregnant teenager; and with the introduction of TANF the amount of people on welfare has declined more than 50%. The U.S. has one of the most restrictive policies regarding social aide than any other industrialized nation and it's just getting stricter. Since the mid-90s welfare reform have you noticed your taxes lessening? No? That's because the bulk of taxes that go toward social program funding (which isn't much) goes toward funding medicare and social security.
I don't know why I'm engaging in this argument because I've seen in the past that people who want to believe that there are welfare queens getting rich off the government tit refuse to believe otherwise even when hit in the face with facts.
I was 16 when I had my son and I would challenge anyone to put their kid up against mine to see who raised the better child. I've seen some pretty sketchy parenting coming out of middle age couples, so don't try to lump all teen parents together, Miss Sally.
And the child that I gave up for adoption to my middle class parents wound up going through some horrible shit and is just now getting her life back on track. She tells me all the time how she wishes I'd raised her.
Teen moms are not villains. They're not boogeymen to be afraid of. For the most part, they're young girls who didn't think things through (as children are wont to do). Nobody believes that having a baby as a teenager is a good thing. That's one of the reasons I find Bristol and the teen mom crowd so repugnant. If it offends then make sure you don't have any pregnant teens come out of your family and don't give Bristol Palin a pulpit to preach from. But seriously, burdens on society? The biggest financial burdens to our society are the elderly not teenage mothers.
Children need mature and prepared parents. It's all a crap shoot for the most part, but given a choice I certainly wouldn't put my money on a teenager.
On a blog where many former teenage mothers hang out, I cannot for the life of me, figure out why you would continue to be insulting. I will chalk it up to ignorance and move on.
Angie, just because I happen to have a different opinion than yours does not mean I am insulting you or anyone else, and it doesn't make me ignorant, either.
You are welcome to your opinion and in fact, are highly encouraged to have one. What isn't encouraged is the derogatory remarks you make in the company of people that make up this dynamic, with complete disregard for their feelings. And that, my dear, is ignorance.
Sally,
You are, indeed, insulting people. To date you have proclaimed:
1. Teenagers should get rid of their kid or have an abortion.
2. That babies of teenagers are a burden to society.
3. That the mothers themselves are burdens to society.
4. That you speak for most of the taxpayers in this country.
I don't believe that Angie is stating that you are ignorant in general. She's questioning why someone would make such inflammatory remarks on a blog where many prior teen mothers associate. Correct me if I'm wrong Angie, but I believe her point is that you're ignorant of that fact as well as the many emotional and socio-economic stresses and conditions that go along with being a teenage mother. The world isn't a black or white issue and as I said before, all you can do is control your own piece of the world. You can like it or not but getting yourself all worked up over an issue you a) can't fix and b) don't want to change your opinion on is pretty much the definition of trolling. You know you're not going to change anyone's mind and you're obviously not here for intellectual discourse. Your only purpose at this point as far as I can see is to get people riled up so you can sit back and suck up the lulz.
Wow. How long have you been waiting to hurl that diatribe at someone?
I would concede that "ignorant" was not the word I was looking for, although I have to believe there is a fair amount of ignorance present. No, what I probably wanted to say was your gross indifference and disregard for the feelings of others. I like to think of the people on this blog as friends, minus the trolls, of course. I typically don't have friends telling me I'm worthless and a burden to society, so please forgive me if I get a bit feisty about the subject matter.
You cannot begin to know my personal experience with unprepared and immature parents. And if I have a strong opinion on the subject believe me when I say it is NOT because I enjoy riling people up on a blog.
Again, you are welcome to your opinion, we all have things we feel strongly about, things that affect us directly, but seriously, do you think it's necessary to slap us in the face with your personal issues? That would be like going to a AA meeting and announcing over and over how people who can't control their drinking are worthless, stupid and weak. Do you GET what I'm saying?
i don't think sally gets what anyone is saying....she obviously is clueless (or has a clue is purposely being rude and disrespectful) to the many women here---including the blog owner---who were teen moms....
Sally, I agree with you. Some of us had no choices and did our best to raise our children and get off welfare. Teens today have choices and I sure am glad.
Pat, I don't think anyone is saying that teens should have children. But to say that teens should abort or give their children away while calling them a burden is beyond evil. Sally isn't railing against teen mom shows, she's railing against teen moms in general including yourself. Nobody thinks Bristol Palin is a good role model but she shouldn't have to give up her child because she had him too young. Or are teens allowed to keep their babies if they're able to support them by spewing a bunch of right wing propoganda?
I'm just glad teens have choices today. I had none, that was my point. I can't judge anyone else. Hugs.
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