You know, almost everything on that damn Kardashian show is scripted, but, I think this moment when Kris and Bruce talk about his sex change might be real. HERE is where I read it. But, I believe Bruce when he said he told Kris before they were married that he felt like a woman in a man's body. Also, the whole family knew that in private Bruce dressed in women's clothes and wore make up. But, even so, I get Kris here. You can know and not know, you know what I mean? Maybe she was so into him when they met that she lied to herself about it. When that show first started I was shocked at the way Bruce looked. He'd had some bad surgery and it just, was horrible. Remember, Bruce was a heart throb in his hey day. Anyway, I knew what was up then. I knew, so how could Kris not know? I understand it from both sides. I hope they can get passed all the bullshit and remain family. My ex husband married a man. It takes a bit for that to sink in, even though I knew, but, I didn't know. See? Makes no sense, you just have to roll with the flow. But, we're family. We share a child, so we're family. And his spouse is his soul mate, so that makes him family too. Does that make sense? It's so much better than hate and bitterness. I love my ex's spouse, he's adorable. We all showed up at the same yard sale the other day and everyone was waiting for the fireworks to start (small town, small minds), but, I was happy to see them and we teased each other about getting the best bargains. You wanna see a picture of them? Here...
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David is nice looking and his husband looks happy with him. Nice picture. Not that give a damn about the Kardashians, they are too superficial by far for me. Imagine having a conversation with any of them. Bruce's ex wives knew about his differentness and he was partially into a change when he married Kris. He stopped the hormones then. His plastic surgery was dreadful imo. Everybody knew about the cross dressing. I wonder if some people don't get the fact that they are just a cross dresser mixed up with they are really transsexual. Not one and the same. But Bruce sure looks different with the hormones taking over. A LOT different. Now, Eddie Izzard, a comic and an actor that I like, just likes to dress like a dame and fancies girls. Different thing. I'd hate for someone to go too far with the thinking they are trans and getting all the surgery and hormones and they really aren't. Well, it's their bag and I've got my problems that they have no interest in, so whatever. When they pay me attention and worry about me, I'll worry about them and support them. Until then, rock on.
Yeah, I should have clarified that cross dressing doesn't always mean transsexual, but, Bruce was on hormones and did those surgeries meant to make him feminine in the face. I knew what his deal was as soon as that show started. BTW, I love Eddie Izzard, I think he's hot.
I saw most of that interview. I found it interesting. I was most interested in his children that we never see all the time. They seemed very normal.
I wonder if his light-hearted attitude was real or for the cameras. I hope he finds some peace.
I understand what you mean about knowing and not knowing. Years ago I was talking to someone about an old boyfriend I had lost touch with. When they told me he was gay I thought they were joking. My initial reaction was denial, it couldn't be true, we were together for a couple of years. It took a long time to sink in but once it did it all started to make sense. Once I could look at it objectively I wondered how I didn't catch on earlier. In his defense, I was his first girlfriend and I don't think he realized himself until after we broke up.
Jane, I really hope he finds peace too. The most important thing is helping his children to accept him. I'd fear they'd feel like they lost their father in a way.
Clarabel, I know what you mean. My marriage failed because I am not meant to be married. He was. I found marriage confining and impossible. He needed someone like the man he's with. Interestingly enough, he married a woman after we were divorced. I thought she was a bitch, but, I kept her kids while they went on their honeymoon. Then when they came home and started married life she was mean to my kid! It shocked and hurt me because I always kept her kids on weekends and stuff so they could have adult time. I treated her kids like my own. She was a bad egg. I was glad when he finally came out and got rid of her. Dennis is SOOO much better in every way.
Oh and Clarabel, I really hope you don't feel bad about your ex being gay, like he wasn't really into you. Gay men can fall in love with a woman. It happens. I should know.
A helicopter pilot I remember very well from live reporting of a riot here in LA is now Zoey Tur and I think is on Inside Edition. I don't watch the show but she is on the radio once in a while when I am in the car, and she has a daughter who won't have anything to do with her. Another child will. This makes it very hard.
Kris knew enough but possibly just didn't let her mind "go there". Since she is who she is - self-centered - Im betting she thought she could change him. That being with HER and having kids with HER would keep him a him. Although it didn't work for the previous 2 wives - but in her Kris world - those women weren't HER.
Also - I think Bruce may have hung on so long to the Kardashes and the show to bank plenty of money for the new life he wants.
I had such a crush on him in 1976/77 that I even named my biology project rat after him, Peter Bruce. Peter for Peter Frampton. I must have had a thing for pretty boys in my teen years.
I find the whole story pretty fascinating. I suspect this end the best possible. This family spends A LOT of time talking it out with each other and their therapists. I mean how can it go wrong. And how do they have time for anything else. Noelle
I used to watch the K's, back when. One time, Bruce went and got both his ears pierced, and wore 2 honkin' diamond studs. One in each year. All the kids asked him why he got both ears pierced? Kris was questioning the kids as to it's truth. They all were flabbergasted. It was true. He already had the weird face lift and looked so funny to me. Hardly recognizable. Then he was really digging his new ear piercings, a bit much. The kids were kinda telling him how weird that was. Well, now we know. It was just one more little thing to get to where he is today. I still cringe at the thought of seeing him in full-on drag with make up and heels in a tight dress & boobs. I don't think I can handle it. I will just be thinking of "To Wong Chu, Thanks For Everything, Julie Newmar", a movie I dearly love. He was a greek god back in the day. The American icon of athletes. I will miss that guy too. Those kids will miss their dad. It's just weird for a kid. Does anybody know the new name he's chosen? This is embarrassing for Kris. I do get it. Maybe she felt like he would change and they had kids yadda yadda...and years and years went by. And remember that xmas card? The one where he was in a big clear box? Trying to escape? Subtle message? That was years ago. And we thought that meant he wanted a divorce. It wasn't even about that. There have been signs, we just didn't know how to decypher them. Maybe Kris was living in denial. Raising her kids and ignoring the truth? I totally get that. And she threw herself into work and her kids. I'm sure she just didn't want it to be true. & that she had been involved with him at all. Like, it would make her look bad. Nobody cares, Kris!
Wong Fu! Wong Fu!!! My bad
It's just the best publicity for the Kardashians, which ever way you look at the personal aspect. Trans genderism is the new black and they have one in the family, it just couldnt ever get any better for them could it? It was probably in the pre-nup. What I will never understand is WHY does he get around in those draggy men's clothes all the time, slacks and polo shirt, you'd think that if he identified as female he would at least wear female type men's clothes, like jeans and t shirt. The father of your kids looks like a really nice person Pat.
That whole scene with Kris to me felt unscripted from Bruce's side, but like Kris had conspired with the Produces to get her message across - she is the wronged party, she is a STRAIGHT WOMAN who had no hand in his "deception" and ICKINESS.
She is a Producer of the damned show after all.
Of course I believe that she is actually shocked and hurt, just that she'd staged that scene to try and get her message out.
LB from Sydney
Kris is calling Bruce a liar....pot, meet kettle.
I loved what you wrote about your kid's father and his husband. There would be happier kids in the world if more parents could find it in themselves to forgive an ex and be open to the new spouse. (Jerks are jerks and will exist, but not everyone is.) Your ex and his husband look very happy together...they are totally adorable.
There are few exes of mine that I hate after the dust has cleared--I mean you loved that person at one time, is there no redeeming quality you can recall when you break up? I miss each one for a different reason that made something special between us...doesn't mean I'm not relieved come the holidays not to see the in-laws! I'm actually quite gleeful :) And I know it was right to go our separate ways, but I can still like parts of them.
I was amazed how Kris made this about her feeling abandoned that they wouldn't grow old together. Crocodile tears acting like the wounded party. She had no respect for him the last few years on TV and emasculated him at every turn. It was painful to see. Now she can go chase men like her daughters-I'm not trying to be ugly, but she has joined her daughter's club, dating men their age. She's wanted to be a Kardashian sister for ages.
Wow! I just watched the show and I think Bruce will make an amazing female and I think s/he is getting great support from his family and is doing an amazing job of bringing the issues out into the open and helping other trans gender people to be who they are. I've never watched Keeping Up With te Kardashians before, just got all these extra television stations tonight and just happened to catch up with this episode. I can see why Kris was pissed off but I think she will get into the swing of things with time.
To Wong Fu Love Julie Newmar is one of my favorite movies.
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