I would have held out too. Barring being put in the hospital, I believe I could have done it. I think I'm pretty stubborn and at my age, I've learned major patience. I would have challenged her to a real wait out. I'd miss the kid and the animals, but, hey, I have people I can trust. I can sit in a damn chair or hotel room for...a long time. I would have sent him to his death, pretty sure. At least I would have given her a run fer her money. Goofy broad. (I know that's not nice.)
I know the judge even said he thought the dude was mentally ill, right? But, I don't give a shit. He was not found innocent by reason of insanity. He was found plain old guilty. So, he's nuts? No shit. He's nuts, but, if this Ronald McDonald lookin' fucktard ever gets well or.. not mentally ill, he will wish he was dead when someone shows him a photo of all the innocent people he murdered. That 6 year old girl alone should be enough. If he stays the way he is now, what good is he? Why do we owe him any quality of his creepy life? Who will he kill next? Being in prison won't stop him from killing, if he wants to again. He should not live a comfy prison life in the protective custody unit. No way. The only hope we have now is that maybe he'll get a hair up his ass and kill a child molester on the PC unit with him. ~Shrugs~
Oh! Or maybe the prison van transporting him will wreck and he'll be burned alive! I could live with that. (Don't care if that's not nice.)
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You might be willing to wait as long as the hold out was, but the other 10 would end up murdering either you or the holdout. At any rate, I really don't think he will ever get out now an the world can stop thinking about it. There is a real problem prosecuting and punishing people and treating people appropriately who are mentally ill. I don't know how to solve it. Mental illness is a plague on humankind. Now that Andrea Yates has recovered enough to actually know what she did, she is horrified and more depressed and guilty than imaginable. Of course I think her husband and her psychiatrists, who sent her home, should be doing jail time for their crimes for allowing this to happen when the knew they were dealing with an acutely mentally ill woman.
Border, I'm sure you know this, but, Andrea Yates and her husband are Quiverfulls. Yep. Just like Michelle and Jim Boob Duggar. Always keep your quiver (womb) full and shoot as many arrows of god (your brainwashed kids) into the world as you possibly can. Andrea realized she was overwhelmed and begged her husband to let her slow down. It wasn't in the cards. He is a true believer in that Qiverfull movement. That last baby and pregnancy pushed her mind over the edge. She's nuts, but, also a victim.
Had to add, as a member of that particular cult, Andrea had no choice but to obey her husband. You know how that works. Her children, man, what a terrible tragedy for such innocents. Yet, I do feel for her too and never wanted to see her be put to death. Her whole life must have been Hell on Earth. I feel nothing for this Colo. shooter. He's no victim. He's a psycho murder.
So often it seems there is one hold -out. I wonder what their reasons are? Did they lie on the questionairre they were given prior to being selected for the trial? Did they say they were not opposed to the death penalty so that they would be accepted as a part of the jury? Were they opposed to it all along and wanted to make a point, or are they just stupid and don't want to follow the group?
I did a jury trial years ago. A man was cited for drunk driving. He was challenging the citation, stating that he wasn't actually caught correctly, somehow. Anyway, he was seen exiting a bar, totally drunk off his butt. He fell down several times on the way to his car, and then required assistance to unlock the car door and get in, etc. He didn't hurt anyone, but was obviously drunk, according to many witnesses, several of whom reported him. His attorney's defense was literally "frankly, my client just isn't very smart. " We had an older lady on our jury who was a holdout. She just could not see that it was conclusive that he should be cited. It really pissed me off. She was all dressed up like it was a big social occasion for her. Maybe it was. I still remember her little dark cardigan sweater with the fur collar. She had it draped over her shoulders like a little cape. She finally relented, after the chairman of the jury went over each minute point with her. I think that might have been what she wanted. She wanted to control the situation and have the full attention of the person with the most power. Asshole. The things he said to her were the same things that all of us had said in the hours prior, but she just gave us all the hard face. Old pissant.
So, he is guilty as can be, and the taxpayers get to support his sorry ass forever. Groovy.
Christina
Our system is so screwed up. It's actually cheaper to give him life versus the death penalty. I don't care about the money though, I wish he would have gotten the death penalty. I live less than an hour from where this happened and I don't think I will ever go to a movie theater again.
I have a grandson who is bipolar, ADHD, color blind, and ocd, and extremely socially awkward. He was diagnosed when he was seven. That was also his first of many lockdowns at the psych ward. He is one of many thousands of children who are not being adequately treated in this country.
The problem isn't guns, or race, or "evil." It's finding a form of therapy that these kids so desperately need. My GS has a good home, people who love him and we (all of us) do the best we can. But these kids need daily therapy to improve social skills, combat the constant depression, rapid cycling, internal voices, and hallucinations. Insurance is worthless, and there are only around 4,000 child psychiatrists in the entire country, many of whom do not work with patients.
I am adopted. Think I mentioned that here once. I finally got a court order to open my file a few years ago. Both of my birth parents were mentally ill. My birth mother suffered from severe depression all of her life before committing suicide just a few years before I found her. I grew up my entire life only a mile away from her.
My birth sister was bipolar and was self harming, as is my GS. She spent most of her life in and out of hospitals before also committing suicide a few years ago. Most mental illness is actually biological. They have identified the one gene that carries schizophrenia, bipolar disorder, depression, and ADHD.
I'm lucky that I only have the depression from my family history, but I've passed ADHD to a son and both of his children. My other son suffers from disabling panic attacks and now his scholarship winning daughter is also beginning to have them.
The conversation really needs to change soon. These kids are so isolated. My grandson has never had a friend. Never. I have never seen him laugh. He has the same vacant drug stare that has become so familiar over the last few years.
My adoption record alone could have stopped this. Closed adoption sucks for the child. I never would have had children if I had known any of this.
What do any of you suggest? Do we wait and see if my grandson goes off his meds at 18 because they make him twitch, cause him to vomit nearly every day, and give him ulcers in his mouth? You want to help pay for all of his psych bills and therapies? Or should we just put him down now before he (might) hurt(s) someone? What would you do??
I'm not angry.. Just tired. It's so frustrating and scary raising these kids. Anything could be the last straw in their lives. But it's impossible to predict which straw it will be. I could not have voted for the death penalty. It would have been too much like putting my own grandson to death.
We spend a mint in taxes in this country, and yet we have such poor mental health care. How can this be? It makes no sense.
Christina
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